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Thursday, September 29, 2011

Netbook Update

Ben Grey has a post over on The Edge of Tomorrow that's worth your time if you're in the position of deciding what kinds of devices to purchase for your students. You really should go read the post (and the comments), but I just wanted to pull out my comment as some folks began investigating netbooks after a previous post of mine.

So, here was my comment (in the context of that post and comment thread, but still mostly makes sense on its own):
Let me just contribute a little info about our experience with netbooks running ubermix.

First, they clearly are inferior to the MacBooks when it comes to video editing and photo manipulation. Now, you can still do some basic video editing on low-res video, and also some basic image manipulation (cropping, brightness, etc.), but you certainly wouldn’t want to do a ton of that on the netbook unless you absolutely had to. I also agree that iLife is something that’s not matched elsewhere, which is why having some iMacs or MacBooks around for those purposes is probably ideal (which is what it looks like Ben’s district has done).

Second, a Mac is going to be a little faster than the netbook at lots of things, and that’s nice to have, and typically the screen is going to be larger (both physically and in terms of pixels), which is also nice.

Third, certainly the touch interface of an iPad (and perhaps a MacBook soon?) is a great addition in many instances (and a drawback in terms of text entry, fingerprints, and scratches).

But I don’t want to get into that part of the argument, I feel like Ben looked at many devices and tried to make the best decision possible for his students, so let me talk a bit about what our netbooks running Jim Klein’s ubermix can do, as that might be helpful to folks reading this thread. Our current district approved model is the Asus Eee #1001-PXD-MU17-BU at $259.40. I can’t tell you for sure how long the battery lasts because it lasts an entire school day, but my best guess is around 8-10 hours. Our two-year old ASUS netbooks last between 4 and 6 hours, meaning they do occasionally run out before the end of the school day. In comparison our (Dell, running Windows XP) laptop batteries last 2-3 hours and also seem to degrade and need to be replaced more quickly.

The machines boot in less than a minute (and shut down in about 20 seconds) and you have a fairly extensive list of standard software to choose from, as well as you can add just about anything open source you like. Since, like lots of folks, we are moving to more web-based software, it can quickly and easily access Google Docs (and the rest of the Google suite) using either Firefox or Chrome. It does run Flash, and Java, although occasionally we’ll run across a site that requires a specific OS (typically Windows, sometimes Windows or Mac). In general, accessing the web is quick, easy and functional.

If you don’t want to use Google Docs or something else online, it does come standard with the current version of LibreOffice, which is full-featured enough for almost any student. It also has Audacity, Skype, Gimp, Google Earth, GeoGebra, Scratch, Webcam software, and a variety of other software. The only software we’ve added to it is Logger Pro to run our science probes and some Dell printer drivers (although we have customized the look and feel quite a bit). You can, of course, download and install just about any open source Linux software.

It is easily customizable and has a very nice imaging process. Once you create the image you can copy that to a 4 GB or larger flash drive and then the imaging process takes about 6 minutes per machine using that flash drive. What I do is copy the image to 16 or so flash drives, then set out 16 netbooks on a table and start imaging. By the time I get to #16 the first one is usually done imaging. If your image is complete, then you’re done. What I do because we have netbooks in lots of different rooms is I create one image that has all of the possible printers that our netbooks print to setup on them, then after I image I simply delete all but the one that needs to be there (faster for me than copying a new image to all 16 flash drives). That probably adds about 2 minutes to each machine to do that. So, by the time I image all 16 and then work my way around and delete those printers, it’s probably about 15-20 minutes per set of 16.

These machines are not locked down (although they can be), so students can – if you or they choose – customize them. While that’s scary to some folks (again, you could lock them down), the beauty is that the built-in restore function works in about 30 seconds. On boot up you can restore to your image and it adds about 30 seconds to the boot process and keeps any user documents. Or, you can choose to completely restore – wiping out the user docs as well – and it’s about 3 minutes. You can even set them to auto-restore back to the image on each boot if you’d like. (And while I typically do it, the process is easy enough that any teacher could be given a 3-step list of instructions to restore on their own if necessary.) Other than a little bit of knowledge to first create the image (and, trust me, I only have a little bit of Linux knowledge), these don’t require much support. (In fact, that’s partially why our tech department approved them, because they don’t have to support them.)

While I don’t use this feature, you can push out updates to them from a server. A script is installed as part of your image that checks for updates, and then if you put a new update out on the server it will grab it (either at startup or shutdown I believe). I’ve chosen not to mess with that, at least partially because so far each year the updated version of ubermix has been enough better that I’ve simply chosen to reimage all of my netbooks (again, at about 15-20 minutes per set of 16, working by myself, that’s not bad, but your mileage may vary).

While our netbooks don’t go home with students, they are used pretty heavily and we’ve had very few hardware issues. In four years we’ve had 2 or 3 cracked screens, a couple of failed hard drive/ssd drives, and a fair number of keys that get picked off and then we’ve had to replace the keyboard. They connect easily to our open wireless network and seem to match our Dell laptops running Win XP in terms of download speed via wireless.

While we did do some training with our Language Arts teachers, it really wasn’t around Linux or the netbooks, it was around what to do with them. Teachers and students both just pick them up and use them – if they are comfortable using any computer, they are comfortable using these – not really much of a learning curve. We have them available for check out in our media center, and also in our Study Center, and students – even ones that don’t have a class that uses them – don’t seem to have any issues using them.

So, I’m not necessarily trying to support one side of the argument or the other, but I think many folks reading this discussion don’t have any experience with the specifics of what Ben is talking about with his netbooks running ubermix, so I’m hoping this helps a bit. For us, the cost factor (as well as the ease of setup/support) is huge. Yes, I would prefer to give our students MacBooks over netbooks, but at a greater than 3 to 1 price ratio that’s a tough call to make. I think we’ll continue to see devices evolve. In the meantime, I would encourage everyone to at least explore a netbook running ubermix if you think it might meet the needs of your students and teachers.

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Blogger Alex Inman said...

Always balanced and clear! Thanks for this post.

9/30/11 6:27 AM  
Blogger Daniel Stucke said...

Hi Karl,

Any ideas on alternative download sites for Ubermix - sounds well worth investigating. But the links on http://community.saugususd.org/swattec/page/Download+Files keep failing on me.

Cheers,

Dan

10/4/11 1:25 PM  
Blogger Karl Fisch said...

Dan - Jim Klein tweeted out yesterday that the download site was having some issues, so I think he's working on a new host for the downloads. I'd suggest either contacting Jim or simply waiting a few days and trying again.

10/4/11 1:47 PM  
Blogger JosephS2015 said...

Mr. Fisch I like your points a lot. I believe there is a lot of truth to them. I own an iPad and had the option to use a triple e netbook and I opted to use the iPad. I did have to use the netbook for some of the more advanced things that Google Earth has to offer. I would agree they are slower but there are how ever parts to them that make them better. As I already mentioned, there are some things that the iPad can't do. The other plus side of a netbook is that they cost much less. I will admit I have little to no experience with a Mac book, but I would imagine the cost issue would remain the same. Overall, however, iPad and Mac books are a much better value.

10/5/11 8:40 AM  
Blogger Karl Fisch said...

Dan- Jim just tweeted he moved the downloads to GDocs - you might try again.

10/6/11 7:50 PM  

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Friday, September 23, 2011

Just Write Poorly. In Public. Every Day.

Seth Godin has some advice about writing:
The reason we don't get talker's block is that we're in the habit of talking without a lot of concern for whether or not our inane blather will come back to haunt us. Talk is cheap. Talk is ephemeral. Talk can be easily denied.

We talk poorly and then, eventually (or sometimes), we talk smart. We get better at talking precisely because we talk. We see what works and what doesn't, and if we're insightful, do more of what works. How can one get talker's block after all this practice?

Writer's block isn't hard to cure.

Just write poorly. Continue to write poorly, in public, until you can write better.

I believe that everyone should write in public. Get a blog. Or use Squidoo or Tumblr or a microblogging site. Use an alias if you like. Turn off comments, certainly--you don't need more criticism, you need more writing.

Do it every day. Every single day. Not a diary, not fiction, but analysis. Clear, crisp, honest writing about what you see in the world. Or want to see. Or teach (in writing). Tell us how to do something.
So, are you having your students write every day? In public? I know I'm not (although I'm starting to have them write a bit).

I think we're often overly concerned about the quality of our students' writing, and whether it's "good enough" to share. Now, to be clear, I think our students should be concerned with the quality of their writing, and should strive to get better at communicating their thoughts. But if we let the worry about what others will think get in the way of having our students write more, and for a larger audience, then we're doing them a disservice out of fear.

This begs the question, of course, about how much our teachers are writing. Particularly our Language Arts teachers, but really all of our teachers. If it's so important for our students to write, how come we're not modeling it?

Do you write every day? In public? Why or why not?

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Blogger Algot Runeman said...

Creative work seems more difficult than synthetic.

Combining and restating the ideas of others is a good stage in developing writing style. The difficulty arises, though, in the inevitable plagiarism of such synthesis. Classroom presentations to students inevitably involve synthesis of all the material we've used in preparing the lesson. If I write it down, I can be caught for using the words of others. It is easier for me to talk to my students, as long as I know I'm not being recorded, much less recorded on video.

As teachers, we work hard to eliminate plagiarism in students' work. By avoiding writing ourselves, we gingerly skip past the problem for ourselves. It's another example of "fear of failure." If we plagiarized, we'd be ridiculed or worse.

Taking these issues in hand, teachers would definitely help their students by being willing to reveal their own steps to improve in writing. Demonstrating progress rather than perfection, getting back up when we fall, that's the skill set students need. It's true for all aspects of learning, including writing.

9/24/11 9:43 AM  
Blogger Karl Fisch said...

Algot - Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It seems to me that if you feel it's plagiarism when written down, it would still be plagiarism if you said it verbally and didn't give credit.

I agree that we as educators need to do a better job of demonstrating progress, not perfection. But I think that's something many educators are not comfortable with - showing that they don't "know it all" in front of their students.

9/24/11 9:56 AM  
Blogger Algot Runeman said...

Plagiarism is still true in the spoken word, just as you say. Without a record of it, though, we won't be challenged.

I am a big advocate of regular teacher and student writing. I believe that targeted teaching materials are much better than reliance on a textbook. Home grown materials provide more effective links between the local school/community and published material from others.

Students also benefit from being part of a "pilot" where the project's outcome is going to involve their own work, their judgment of the "text."

If they can do some of the fact checking, all the better. It will involve them in the kind of work authors need to do at all levels. Knowing that their contribution will make an impact on subsequent classes can establish their reputation, too. It is a culture building process.

9/24/11 10:30 AM  
Blogger Denise Krebs said...

Karl,
I was drawn in by your title. I have a problem with poor writing--my own and others'. I do write daily and a time or two a week publicly. Most of my students publish blog posts at about the same frequency.

I'm not sure I could stand myself daily, but your post is encouraging and challenging.

This afternoon I am planning to grade some blogs/glogs my students created. I plan to give many of them bad grades for the careless errors made. Then give them credit back after corrections are made.

For me, the public audience is enough to at least try my hardest to avoid mistakes. However, for some of my young teens, the grade on their report card seems to say more than the reward of publishing careful writing. (I HATE what grades have done to the education of our young people!)

Thanks for a challenging and thoughtful post,

Denise

9/24/11 11:38 AM  
Blogger Karl Fisch said...

Thanks Denise - I have a problem with poor writing as well. I have a bigger problem with no writing.

Glad to see you have your students writing often, and publicly.

9/24/11 11:44 AM  
Blogger Bud Hunt said...

Just so, Karl. Just so. We should write whenever we can and wherever we can. And if you ask a student to write something, you'd better be writing, too.

Algot - Yes, it's hard. But it's worth doing - worth giving credit, or citing, or modeling what that should look like. It gets easier the more you do it. So let's not let our students get out of school without doing more.

9/24/11 2:22 PM  
Blogger Eclectic Teacher NZ said...

Is this not what we do in primary school when students are learning to write? We encourage all approximations and teach the way as we go. Cheers.

9/24/11 5:42 PM  
Blogger MMcOuat said...

I really enjoyed this post. I felt it gave me the extra push I needed to open my own blog account. I think that students who experiment with writing are far stronger than those who avoid writing and as a teacher I guess it is time to take some of my own medicine. Thanks again!

9/25/11 8:38 PM  
Blogger Sydnie K. said...

I'm so glad you advocate encouraging freedom to write poorly and a lot before expecting perfection. I cringe when I hear teachers complain about spelling and punctuation when they're holding a fourth grader's initial writing effort that is packed with great concepts, language, and voice. Thanks for saying it so well.

9/26/11 3:10 PM  
OpenID Kaz said...

Your title, “Just Write Poorly. In Public. Every Day” caught my attention. I think it is true that I often overly concerned about the quality of my writing and hesitate to write because English is my second language. I feel that I am not able to convey my points clearly no matter how hard I try. However, your suggestion encourages me to try regardless of whether it is or is not “good enough” to share in public. If I do not try, I will not get better.

9/26/11 3:38 PM  
Blogger Jen Carbonneau said...

Karl,
Currently I am a curriculum and instructional coach (amazing the titles "they" can come up with). Last year I was the literacy coach. As a National Writing Project teacher consultant, writing instruction is always at the forefront of my thoughts. I am writing all the time, but I am guilty of not allowing that to be transparent for my students. No, without students, I am always sharing my writing with the teachers I coach. Teachers need to become more comfortable with the notion that writing is thinking and without incorporating writing regularly you are unable to assess their thinking. Thank you for the post. Only through writing will we become better writers!
Jen C

9/26/11 7:39 PM  
Blogger RobertA2015 said...

Mr. Fisch,

This article has motivated me to become a better and more effective writer. I'm very shy when it comes to writing, because I feel very discouraged after I post or turn in an assignment; my thoughts in my head are that the teacher is snickering at my work, laughing at every mistake I make. Hopefully, the world can see this post, because honestly, it will encourage more kids to write, helping them to improve their skill. This method doesn't just have to work in writing, the more you work at anything the better chance you have to improve. Your article relates in a strange way to Mr. Carr's blog, "Is Google Making Us Stupid?", because kids spend a lot of time relying on Google; this will make them less likely to be succesful in typing because they might just copy and paste documents. They won't ever experience real typing. I have already started to type much more this year and after reading your post, I'm inspired to dramatically increase my grammar and punctuation skills by the end of the year.

9/27/11 8:34 PM  
Blogger Karl Fisch said...

Robert - I'm glad what I wrote helped motivate you. It's easy to get discouraged after turning something in and getting feedback that sometimes makes you feel like you didn't do a good job. But keep in mind that the feedback that teachers give you, and hopefully others, is designed to help you improve, not to make you feel bad.

I think it's great that you're going to try to increase your grammar and punctuation skills, those are important to help you convey your thoughts to your reader. But make sure you don't get overly concerned with those, as you want your thoughts, your voice, to come through as well. Your voice comes through nicely in this post, and if you bring that passion to your writing, you will do great.

Keep up the good work!

9/27/11 8:39 PM  
Blogger JackM2015 said...

Mr. Fisch,



While although I agree that we should be writhing every day and that teachers should be modeling good writing skills I am not sure that I agree with writing in public. I think this not because I am afraid of being criticized in public, but because I think writing is more of a personal expression of who I am and what I think. I don't feel as though the world needs to know what I think every day. If I start writing in public every day people will not care what I have to say because it is there all of the time. On the other hand, if I save my public writing for every once in a while, I think people will care more and my writing will mean more. Take my English class for example, if everyone posts every day it just loses meaning and becomes dull. If however, every week or so I read a post it is more interesting, I will enjoy it more, and I will learn more. The same goes for people's posts around the world, too much information, becomes boring and I lose interest. I believe writing is an important skill and I think the more I practice the better I will become, but I do not think writing in public everyday is the answer. I prefer to keep my personal expressions, personal.

9/27/11 11:22 PM  
Blogger Alexm2015 said...

Mr. Fisch i like the ideas you have in your writing. This article very much relates to me very much because in school i am blogging almost every day. This also connects to my education because my whole class also has to blog and many other classes have to blog and then present one of our blogs on Friday. I'm not sure about everyone else but as we present more in class, and some other students may also feel this way, i start to fell more comfortable speaking aloud. Many other places in the world there are news writers or blogger’s speaking their words and views on things to every one in the world who wants to see. A question i have for you is, do you like posting on a blog and do you ever comment on others blogs? Overall you had great points and this article made me really think about my life and education.

9/28/11 8:29 AM  
Blogger JosephS2015 said...

After reading Just Right Poorly. In Public. Every Day. by Mr Fisch I initially agreed with the article other than some minor thoughts. The article describes an idea that writing once every day poorly will eventually make us better writers. I believe that my first grade teacher had the same general idea about writing because she made us write about something that we did in our free time. She did this once every week. The only problem I have with Mr Fischs' blog post is how would you get any better at writing if you don't get any critism. You would just be practicing something wrong. To end the post I leave the question "Is writing frequently really making you a better writer?"

9/28/11 8:36 AM  
Blogger Karl Fisch said...

Jack - I certainly agree that you should be writing in private as well, and often that is a better place to write. I wasn’t trying to suggest that all writing should be public.

But I think you’re wrong when you assert that if you start “writing in public every day people will not care what [you] have to say.” I think it’s exactly the opposite. When you start writing in public, often (not necessarily every single day), then you’re showing a commitment to engage in a conversation with the wider world. And when people see that you have good, interesting, thought-provoking things to say, they will want to read more.

9/28/11 1:01 PM  
Blogger Karl Fisch said...

Alex - That is one of the great things about writing – and speaking – in public. The more you do it, the more comfortable it becomes. That doesn’t mean everyone has to be writing and speaking all the time, but I think that if more folks got involved in the world around them, which often requires speaking up (in writing or orally) in public, the world would be a better place.

Yes, I like writing on a blog, and I feel it’s worthwhile (otherwise I wouldn’t do it). And, yes, I comment on other blogs, although not as much as I’d like (that pesky time issue) – but I continue to work on that.

9/28/11 1:04 PM  
Blogger Karl Fisch said...

Joseph - Thanks for commenting, Joseph. I guess I’d respond with two ideas.

First, yes, I do believe writing more often, even if you’re not getting criticism, will make you a better writer. Do you play any sports? For example, is practicing free throws (or whatever) without a coach right next to you worthless? I agree that having a coach next to you is better, but the very act of practicing, of consciously thinking about what you are doing (in this case, writing), you are going to get better at it, even if you don’t have someone coaching you.

Second, if you write in public, and often, and write good stuff, you will start getting feedback from other folks. So the “coaching” if you will starts to generate itself organically. You just have to put yourself out there.

9/28/11 1:09 PM  
Blogger Claire Thompson said...

In your post you said "I think we're often overly concerned about the quality of our students' writing, and whether it's "good enough" to share." Jan Smith tackles this on her class blog with the following notice:
"Please notice our successes, not our mistakes.
Our blog is a invitation to see what we are up to. Some of our work will be polished, and some will be in draft form. Please honour our attempts. We are learning!"
I think it is a great statement--reminding the readers of her blog what learning is all about. I just thought it seemed relevant here.
Cheers,
Claire

10/1/11 9:37 PM  
OpenID atpdc said...

Joseph,

After reviewing all of the responses, I had to write about your insight to this. I often have to write for my work and many of my college projects. I am beginning to believe that I can write a lot, but can I write better? I suspect I am simply writing a lot and not making any real improvements in my underlying writing skills. I am hesitant to admit this, but as I do have an assignment to write often, I guess I have a license to write poorly, just as the article suggests.

10/3/11 8:17 PM  
Blogger CalebI2015 said...

In "Just Write poorly. In Public. Every day" I appreciate how you related talking to writing. You are so right from a very early age we talk and talk until we get it right. So your point is that just as we learn how to talk by repetition we also can learn to write more effectively, more clearly and more concise by doing it over and over. You demonstrate that you are a philosopher by expressing the opinion that more teachers would produce better students if they allowed them to just write instead of just expecting them to write perfectly.

10/5/11 8:36 PM  
Blogger Andrea Hernandez said...

Absolutely love. And agree. And have shared with teachers at our school who sometimes need help explaining to parents why we don't spend more time correcting each and every misspelled word in our students' blog posts.
I wrote a similar (at least to me it is similar post) on my "yoga blog."
http://effortandease.wordpress.com/2010/09/08/learning-through-practice/

10/12/11 8:47 AM  
Blogger WillM2015 said...

Dear Fisch,
I will agree to disagree on what you said. I beleive that writing is a massive and competitive skill that we as students must all learn, but there are some extents that we as a comunity must relize and fallow. The hard part about writing in public is you have to know that it will never go away and will always be looked at in the future by people you won't want looking at it. My prospective on this article is that there are better ways to write and practice writing skills that puting it on the internet. The only reason I am in the internet comenting on blogs is that I am a student and must be apart of the world wide web to succeed in the future. Overall, I know where I stand and that is what I want for the students in America.

10/25/11 6:18 PM  
Blogger Jared said...

Mr. Fisch -

I absolutely agree with your post about the need for everyone to write more frequently. Writing is a critical skill in pretty much any profession, but it is horribly overlooked by most people.

I have seen too many formal documents, news articles, emails, professional correspondences, etc., that have poor grammar, blatant spelling errors, and an obvious over reliance on electronic Spelling/Grammar checkers.

A big part of the problem is many teachers are poor writers. They encourage students to focus on quantity rather than quality, and tell them to drown their writing in adjectives to take up more space and ‘be descriptive’, even though such writing achieves the exact opposite effect. This kind of instruction produces writers who are incapable of being clear, accurate, and concise, and it’s not even really their fault, because that’s how they have always been taught.

Your post made me think about ways to encourage my students to write more. I want them to practice and improve without worrying so much about a grade or creating a ‘polished product’. Rather, I want writing to become as natural as talking, and for them to develop a high comfort level with writing. Due to the technical demands of writing that casual speech often ignores, I think that as students become more fluent writers, they will become better communicators. And the value of that result should be obvious to everyone.

11/8/11 3:48 PM  

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Thursday, September 08, 2011

One. Third.

Two different data depictions crossed my information stream in the last twenty-four hours. Let’s see what they have in common.

First up is this data visualization of PISA scores put together by Michael Marder, a Professor of Physics and the Associate Dean for Science and Mathematics education at the University of Texas, Austin. Unlike the usual way these scores are presented (particularly to the American public), this time the U.S. scores are broken down by poverty level. Here’s a screenshot, but you really should explore the interactive Tableau visualization or view the mp4 that Professor Marder narrates.


Second was this report (pdf) from the Colorado School Finance Project, depicting the characteristics of Colorado’s K-12 population over the last 17 years. Again, a screenshot, but take a look at the entire PDF as well.


[As you view the Colorado data above, also keep in mind the current budget situation facing Colorado school districts (pdf).]

Now, regular readers of this blog (are there any of those any more given my recent blogging drought?) know that I have some serious concerns about various aspects of our education system, and I believe there are many changes we need to make to best meet the needs of our students. My current frustration, however, is that I feel most of the talk around education reform at the national, state and even local level is not only about the wrong issues, but also misreads the data and ignores the most important factor affecting what they (not I) believe is the best metric for measuring how our students are learning.

For some reason Alex Trebek’s voice popped into my head while thinking about this.
Me: I’ll take Education Reform for $1000, Alex.
Alex: It’s the Daily Double! How much will you wager?
Me: I’ll bet it all on Education Reform, Alex.
Alex: That’s very bold. The one issue that well-known national education reformers might actually be able to have an impact on, but also the biggest issue they pointedly ignore.
Me: What is poverty?
Alex: That is correct! 
 To be clear, I don’t think poverty is our only issue in education. Nor do I think we should use it as an “excuse.” But as long as reformers think that "test scores" and "accountability" are the best path to meeting the needs of our students, then I think they need to get past the rhetoric and address the underlying issue of child poverty. The hypocrisy of misusing data to justify asking for more and more data from schools in order to judge how well we’re doing is stunning.

A full one-third of public education students in Colorado are on free lunch. One. Third. Until we address that, please spare me any more discussion of CSAP/TCAP/ACT/PISA/TIMMS/NCLB/RttT/YAA.

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OpenID BakerH said...

Yes, regular reader still here--thanks to RSS, but maybe I'm using outdated tech ;-)

All of these issues are integrated, and cannot be considered separately. Yes, it's complicated, but I trust smart people are working on these issues.

Would love to see a follow-up post on a summary of the findings of these two reports, and how they play out in everyday education.

And, as a regular citizen and education lurker, I can only interpret half of the acronyms at the end of your post--so yes, reforms should concentrate on solutions more and lingo less!

9/8/11 9:30 PM  
Blogger Scott McLeod said...

Politicians and ed reformers don't have the will or skill to deal with poverty, so they point to a few 'beating the odds' schools instead and say, "If they can do it, anyone can do it. Work harder and smarter." Of course it's hard to disagree with 'work harder and smarter' but that mantra masks the underlying reality that you've highlighted here.

9/9/11 5:46 AM  
Blogger Karl Fisch said...

BakerH - Well, I'd like to trust that smart people are working on these issues, but I guess I'm not sure the ones who are are the ones who have the power to really accomplish much at a level that scales.

The first 7 acronyms are real education ones, the 8th - YAA - stands for Yet Another Acronym.

9/9/11 3:46 PM  
Blogger Karl Fisch said...

Scott - Do they really not have the skill, or do they really think it's about something else? In general, I give folks the benefit of the doubt - I think most if not all of the reformers truly think they're doing the right thing and focusing on the right issues.

9/9/11 3:48 PM  
Blogger Scott McLeod said...

@Karl: I try to give folks the benefit of the doubt too. I guess what I'm thinking is that we keep trying all of these other things instead of hitting the poverty issue square on. For example, I heard Linda Darling-Hammond state recently that high-performing countries all have better social supports for their children than they do. This is the Geoffrey Canada approach with the Harlem Children's Zone, right? Surround school initiatives with supporting child/family/neighborhood initiatives. It's also worth noting that Gary Orfield's and others' research shows that racial/ethnic school achievement gaps narrowed the most during the 1960s & 1970s War on Poverty.

As you note, many/most ed reformers don't focus on dealing with the impacts of poverty on children's learning. So to the extent that they are ignoring those pieces and thus are unsuccessful, their repeated failures would lead me to call them 'unskillful,' regardless of how well-intentioned they are. In other words, we have to ask folks "how's that working for you?' and, if what they're doing isn't working but they persist anyway, there's a lack of skill, understanding, something, isn't there?

9/9/11 4:14 PM  
Blogger monika hardy said...

perhaps all of us are currently impoverished. no? we're thinking poverty is more about a lack of relationship than a lack of money/housing/ged.
perhaps it's the very heart of what prescribed learning can do to a community/nation/globe. we become dependent on that prescription. we forget/neglect/miss the critical question in this ed game. it's not about getting better at how and what we prescribe, it's about the fact that we prescribe.

pisa is a mind boggler for me. the essence of our global competition, based on school math, something most of us don't use the rest of our lives. and then compared to others (people/nations) rather than to self. i don't see any statistically sound way to do that comparison. even if that prescribed math was worth it.

nice push. thank you Karl.

9/10/11 7:48 AM  
Blogger Mark McGuire said...

Hi Karl.

These are startling statistics, and a good example of the importance of selecting and comparing appropriate data, and presenting it in a way that makes the invisible visible. I heard on the radio a few days ago that fully 1/6 of all children in the great U S of A are living under the poverty line. Things are not much better here, in "clear, green" New Zealand. We manage to hide our most embarrassing facts in closets where few are likely to look.

Mark McGuire
markmcguire.net

9/19/11 2:26 AM  

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